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I remember the evening (ß ïîìíþ âå÷åð), romance
 
 
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ST. PETERSBURG
22601
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Additional information: This is one of probably the first two Celebrity Red Seal labels used by the Gramophone Company in late 1901 or early 1902.
Original matrix: Gramophone Co. # 1532B
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Title Name: I remember the evening
Language(s) or Ethnics: russian | Catalog category: Tenor with Piano | Genre (Music Category): Romance
Artist(s): Nikolay Figner
Composer: César Cui
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Accompaniment Type: Piano
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Recording Place: St.-Petersburg | Recording Date: 13-12-1901
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Label file size: 64.8 KB | 483x486 px | Size of file MP3: 1.4 MB | 1:35 | 128 kbps x 44.1 kHz
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 Howard  27.03.2008 15:01 | Last updated by:  bernikov | 13.08.2015 01:05
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Artistic value: 10.00 (1 votes)
Ñollectable value: 10.00 (2 votes)
Label quality: 10.00 (1 votes)
Audio quality: 9.00 (1 votes)
 
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Stephan Stephan (sobinovv)
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Re: Red Labels
Howard wrote:
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I find it hard to believe that the Sobinov 22519 recording, made in June 1901, was not issued for almost a year or more! This is equally true of the Figner and Vyaltzeva recordings made in December 1901. Why would they have been issued with labels AFTER the Caruso recordings of April 1902?		”

7" recordings of Sobinov, Figner and Vyaltzeva were actually issued before and/or early in 1902, but without a paper label. Hence you can find label-less (Berliner) pressings of the above from the new plant in Riga ("Reproduced in Russia"), put into operation about September 1902!

Stephan
  28.06.2008 15:35
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Dr H S Friedman (Howard)
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Angel backs
Stephan, I have at least two 107 mm black label discs with full Angel trademarks on the reverse. stamper II pressing G.C.-52323 by Nazzareno Franchi, which is not only 106 mm, but is on a raised plateau! Also first stamper G.C.-53217 by Rita Casini. Not to mention the Sobinov G.C.22519 Berliner, which has a full Angel back.
  28.06.2008 15:44
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Stephan Stephan (sobinovv)
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Howard wrote:
“Why could it not be the earliest design, since it was used for both the Figner and the Vyaltseva 7" issues recorded in December 1901, and apparently was never used again? ”

A misunderstanding is underlying your argumentation. Fact is, 7" recordings were issued as Berliners (without a paper label) several months longer than 10" recordings.
Therefore, as I wrote before, 7" issues of Figner and Vyaltzeva were first, in about February or March 1902, published as Berliners, achieving red label status after September 1902.

Stephan
  28.06.2008 16:00
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Stephan Stephan (sobinovv)
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Re: Angel backs
Howard wrote:
“ Not to mention the Sobinov G.C.22519 Berliner, which has a full Angel back.”

I also have a Sobinov Berliner with Angel on back, reproduced in Russia. Obviously our specimen were pressed in Riga September 1902 or a little later.
1901 pressings of Sobinov on 7" and 10" Berliners were pressed in Hanover and don't have the Angel back.
7" Berliners of Sobinov of early to mid-1902 and still pressed in Hanover should bear the Angel on back.

Stephan
  28.06.2008 16:18
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Stephan Stephan (sobinovv)
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Re: Angel backs
Howard wrote:
“Stephan, I have at least two 107 mm black label discs with full Angel trademarks on the reverse. stamper II pressing G.C.-52323 by Nazzareno Franchi, which is not only 106 mm, but is on a raised plateau! Also first stamper G.C.-53217 by Rita Casini. ”

A 107 mm label on 1902 (Casini) or 1902-03 (Franchi) pressings is unusual but explainable - either the Gramophone Co. exploited its surplus of 107 mm labels or used up erroneously printed large specimen.

Stephan
  28.06.2008 16:29
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Dr H S Friedman (Howard)
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Re: Red Seal - Label
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“A misunderstanding is underlying your argumentation. Fact is, 7" recordings were issued as Berliners (without a paper label) several months longer than 10" recordings.
Therefore, as I wrote before, 7" issues of Figner and Vyaltzeva were first, in about February or March 1902, published as Berliners, achieving red label status after September 1902.

Stephan		”


Then since the 7" Figner and Vyaltseva records were issued with Red labels after September 1902, why would these labels not have had the same design as 10" labels of that time frame? Or was the "Gramophone Red Seal" label reserved for 7" discs only? How long where they used? What other artists have been seen with them? Can I have your Email address, so that we can correspond more directly? hsf318@comcast.net
  29.06.2008 15:28
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Stephan Stephan (sobinovv)
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Flush backside?
This is the first issue with paper label. Is the backside completely flush or does it bear the "Recording Angel"?
  24.09.2012 05:52
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Vladimir Timokhov (Voot)
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"Recording Angel" on backside and "REPRODUCED IN RUSSIA".
  24.09.2012 13:15
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Stephan Stephan (sobinovv)
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Voot wrote:
“"Recording Angel" on backside and "REPRODUCED IN RUSSIA".”

Thank you very much. Your specimen supports my opinion that 7" GRAMOPHONE RECORD RED SEAL discs were pressed at the earliest in September 1902 when the Riga plant began to operate.
  25.09.2012 19:12
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