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-1016 -59

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Mirror Transcription: V. cB375 IV 22745B M-59/0-1 -1016
Original matrix: Leningrad - Plastic Products Plant of NKMP # M-59
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Experimental and local > Leningrad - Plastic Products Plant of NKMP M-59 M-59  1016Original matrix
Single-sided record
American > Victor 22745-B OB-374 4 Original matrix
Gramophone Co. > His Masters Voice (HMV) HMV B-3775 OB-374 4 Reissue (copied or re-recorded matrix)
Experimental and local > Leningrad - ZET 1119  1119Reissue (copied or re-recorded matrix)
Leningrad - ZET > ZET (blue-red) 1119  1119Original matrix Base fund
Leningrad - ZET > ZET (mocking bird) 1119  1119Reissue (copied or re-recorded matrix) Base fund
Leningrad - ZET > ZET (mocking bird) 1119  1119Reissue (copied or re-recorded matrix) Base fund
Leningrad - ZET > ZET (blue-orange) 1119  1119Copied or re-recorded matrix Base fund
Experimental and local > Leningrad - Plastic Products Plant of NKMP M-59 M-59 -1016Original matrix Base fund
Title Name: Puzzle Record (part 2)
Language(s) or Ethnics: english | Catalog category: Dance Orchestra with Refrain | Genre (Music Category): Foxtrot
Artist(s): Ray Noble and his Orchestra
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Bandmaster or conductor: Ray Noble | Solo artist: Al Bowlly
Recording Place: | Recording Date: 19-02-1931
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Record size: 25 cm
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Label file size: 174.0 KB | 1300x1324 px | Size of file JPG: 750.4 KB | |
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Added by: Zonofon | 18.06.2017 23:42 | Last updated by:  bernikov | 07.07.2017 04:13
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Adrian
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Al Bowlly again
Al Bowlly sings "You're driving me crazy" as the third track here.

This may be the original source
THE NEW MAYFAIR DANCE ORCHESTRA, directed by Ray Noble.
London, February 19, 1931
OB-374-4 Puzzle Record No.1-Part 2 HMV B-3775, Vic 22745
(Al Bowlly sings a chorus of `You're Driving Me Crazy')

Another track is "Goodnight Sweetheart" which was on another puzzle record
NOVELTY ORCHESTRA, directed by Ray Noble.
London, March 9, 1931.
OB-145-1 Puzzle Record No. 2 - Part I HMV B-3825
(Al Bowlly sings a chorus of `I'll be Good Because Of You')
OB-146-4 Puzzle Record No. 2 - Part 2 HMV B-3825
(Al Bowlly sings a chorus of `Goodnight, Sweetheart')

Thes details are from here http://www.btinternet.com/~i.rogers/1931.html which is a discography of Bowlly and doesn't contain the non-Bowlly items.

I don't know the other songs on this ZET record except "Bye Bye Blues" on the other side. It's possible that ZET created their own multi-track record from parts of normal records.

I don't think it would be technically very difficult to create a multi-track record. They just needed to change the gearing so the groove spacing was 3 times wider, and carefully align the cutter each time.
  02.04.2010 23:32
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Thank you very much
for the contribution, Adrian

Speaking of multi-track recording process, it's interesting were there any such records in the UK and other countries? I don't know any.
  03.04.2010 08:26
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Adrian
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Multi-track records
I think there were many puzzle plates, in the UK and probably many other countries. The first "Puzzle plate" was I think a Berliner of around 1901. I have one made for King George V's coronation in 1911.
  03.04.2010 13:18
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Adrian
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Puzzle Plate
"Puzzle Plate" was the 1900 name for these - "Plate" was the word used for a disc record in the very first years. The Berliner I mentioned was recorded on January 20th 1900.
  03.04.2010 20:59
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Re: Al Bowlly again
Dear Adrian,
Thank you so much for information! So if the sources are Puzzle records, could not this ZET be simply a copy of them? Some records of this studio are of this origin, and even retain the original (HMV, Columbia) matrix numbers.
  04.04.2010 06:19
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The first multi-track records
In United Kingdom, the first puzzle plate to be manufactured had been Berliner Gramophone 5504 Puzzell (sic.) Plate, recorded September 2, 1898 with two piano solos.

The second was the triple-track Puzzle Plate In A Church (UK Berliner Gramophone 9290) of November 1900.

The third, most commonly found, "Puzzle Plate" (UK Berliner Gramophone 9317), was recorded in several sessions between January 16 and 21, 1901, with three selections, in at least five versions (A,B,C,D,E).

It was distributed free for solving a G&T advertising promotion (a "His Masters Voice" trademark puzzle), and then sold for five shillings. A brown puzzle record - an Improved 7" Berliner (#1000) - was also issued in Canada, with the same three tracks.
  04.04.2010 06:54
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hello conservateur
Do you mean that the ZET records could be electrotypes of the original records, and not re-recordings (transcriptions)? If they showed the original matrix numbers in the same style, that would prove this, and even if the original matrix numbers were removed it could be, like typical pre-revolutionary pirate records.
  04.04.2010 20:37
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Re: hello conservateur
Adrian wrote:
Do you mean that the ZET records could be electrotypes of the original records, and not re-recordings (transcriptions)? If they showed the original matrix numbers in the same style, that would prove this, and even if the original matrix numbers were removed it could be, like typical pre-revolutionary pirate records.

I do mean this Some of ZET records are re-recordings, but I have one that is an electrotype of an original Columbia and shows the original number. In this case I think that it was much easier to make an electrotype of an original Puzzle HMV than to set the recorder several times to create the same effect
  05.04.2010 15:13
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Re: hello conservateur
Thank you. I've never seen any Soviet records like this.

In this case it seems likely it was made from two different HMV records, one for each side.
  05.04.2010 23:33
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  11.04.2010 19:14
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